Saturday, April 14, 2007

Cosmic Intelligence and Black Holes

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The paper by Vladimir A. Lefebvre, School of Social Sciences, University of California, Irvine and Yuri N. Efremov. Sternberg Astronomical Institute. Moscow State University, Moscow, titled above, takes the idea of Teilhard de Chardin and others, about the “living” -- even divine – universe, and puts a scientific patina on it, providing a new operative template for SETI in the process,

The paper can be read by clicking here….

6 comments:

Bruce Duensing said...

Thank you for the link. I think the observer and the observed are two sides of a process that create a third side, which is the coin itself. An intelligent universe on a macrosopic scale and a microscopic human intelligence share a common trait which is an ongoing quest of self discovery as to the nature of itself. Al Ibn Arabi attributed the expansion of the visible universe to this principle as a facet of an evolutionary process. We serve as a mirror, in turn we gain an idividualised point of reference. This is deeply embedded in Sufi philosophy as the principle of the mirror. They say God is closer to you than your jugular vein aka Know Thyself. Interesting article and perspective.

RRRGroup said...

And Bruce...

We are enamored of the idea that maybe we're just molecules in the body of God -- actually Christ, according to Teilhard.

We'll present more about all this upcoming, including some of the Sufi philosophy you note.

Rich said...

I didn't truly read and understand the whole paper. Hopefully I am not so off topic! Anyway, I don't know why...????? but I also somehow think the universe(s) (whatever it all is) is "learning" or "evolving," or something along these lines (and us along with it?). I think "it knows everything," but still seems to be moving for some unknown reason...still searching for something...what????? (not to mean to be a mirror of myself , at least in the searching part anyway...hahaha)...all really starting to sound like mystical hogwash here but still...? Although, the real horrible part to this, to me anyway, is it still seems that we are just along for the ride...not of any significant importance...just mere observers...although supposedly on a microscale observations can cause change (accurate?). Still seems though, again to me, we are all just along for the ride...kinda like the "bugs" that live on and in us...never to really understand much of anything?????? If only we could let "it" REALLY know AND care that we are here! Oh, the horror of it all!

Bruce Duensing said...

I think another aspect of Ibn Al Arabi's thought process is interesting to consider as well. He makes a very convincing and verifiable presentation that we live, as he put it, in poverty. In other words every aspect of what he termed the locus of manifestation (us) is entrely dependant upon what is provided for us without qualification. He goes further into this exposition by demonstrating that in fact we are an impossibility made manifest, or in other words from a certain empirical point of view, we are a paranormal reality onto ourselves. Which if you take this in hand and compare it to not only the self destructive effective behavior our species demonstrates, but also the source of this behavior, how we view ourselves, which is a variant of being the center of the universe, rather than a particle. All the circular logic and rationalizations, self comforting fantasys we take for reality make us a very disfunctional race. From an ecological point of view that our observers from another world may have of us as only a portion rather than the whole of a planetary living system...from that point of view all the ongoing surveilance of our planet if it is occurring by UFO's only demonstrates why we have not been contacted directly. If I went up to a developmentally disabled individual and began a rant about how they needed to this or that...what would be the point? Your article hit the bullseye once again and brings up some very important perspectives and possibilities.

RRRGroup said...

And Bruce, this whole topic should be explored in depth, here or elsewhere.

We, as noted, plan on adding more about this aspect of existence.

Rich said...

We are indeed a disfunctional race! I blame not us but whoever or whatever created us. It is my humble belief that this "place" owes ALL of us AS INDIVIDUALS big time. It is one thing to be presented a world where it is ACTUALLY COMPATIBLE WITH US but quite another living in one which basically can do what it wants with any of us. We are no better than the bacteria or viruses all trying to "survive" for some UNKNOWN REASON. What does this say about this "place?" About us? Side note: I am not much of a believer in free will...seems more of an illusion than anything else. Living within set HORRIBLE parameters of which we have little or nothing to do with. If this place, GOD, or whatever had any real brains and feelings it would have done a much better job than this dump we are living in. A real dump.